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February 4, 2008 at 6:09 pm #16902
jinx
ParticipantWhat does everybody think about JoCo’s Political Statement in the blog?
We’ve been through religion, the meaning of life, and lots of controversial topics including egg salad, but we haven’t really done politics yet. Is there a way to discuss it sanely & civilly?
February 4, 2008 at 6:18 pm #26482
ColleenkyParticipantLike “Safe & Sane” fireworks? 😉 (Are those only in southern CA?)
Repost of my blog comment:
The husband has been phone-banking for Obama. Tomorrow (CA primary) hell be volunteering for the local office – probably driving little old ladies to the polls or something. 🙂I kinda wish that Obama had more of a track record. As one of my friends said, Hes an empty vessel into which people can pour their hopes and dreams. [Thanks, Randbot, if youre reading.]
Im certainly not voting Republican, so Im voting for the dem candidate that I feel has the better chance of defeating whomever the Republican ends up being. I think too many people really hate Clinton for her to survive the general election.
February 4, 2008 at 6:36 pm #26485Bry
Participantohgod.
— the admin
February 4, 2008 at 6:38 pm #26486shaggyJD
ParticipantSomebody get me a defibrillator. Hurry. He doesn’t look good.
February 4, 2008 at 6:45 pm #26489
ColleenkyParticipantShag: Been reading your comments on the blog. You and my husband would get along great (unless of course, you happened to be on opposite sides of an argument!).
February 4, 2008 at 6:46 pm #26490shaggyJD
ParticipantTie two cats together by the tail and drape them over a clothesline?
February 4, 2008 at 6:51 pm #26492Bry
ParticipantSeriously, I’m going to trust y’all to keep yourselves under control — make sure I know if you think anything gets out of line, ’cause I’m not going to watch this thread too carefully (I’ll skim, but unless this gets off-topic I have very little to say).
February 4, 2008 at 7:06 pm #26496jesss
ParticipantI think that politics are more important than religion or sex and other controversial topics. I would love intelligent conversation on this and I think we are the gang to do it.
February 4, 2008 at 7:29 pm #26499Shruti
ParticipantI am copying the huge-ass comment I left on the blog post, I suppose:
The way I see it, Clinton and Obamas platforms are virtually identical.
So that leaves personality and viability left to vote on.
And Obama wins those rounds. Not with me, necessarily. Theres something about his speaking style that I find distinctly off-putting. But with the nation as a whole – there are just so many (young) people who are so motivated by him, and thats a *good* thing, thats a *fantastic* thing, that people are getting interested and involved and passionate.
And then regarding viability. Personally, there are zero people I know who would say I am not voting for X because he is black, and I am morally opposed to having a black president, because black people are too weak and too emotional. On the other hand, I know TONS of people who would say that about a woman. Granted, they are generally people who would vote Republican, but still, theyre votes Clintons losing. And generally Id say fuck those people because their opinion is absolutely ridiculous, but theres also a whole nother group of people who hate Clinton because of what happened earlier, or because it would continue the Bush-Clinton dynasty. (My roommate explicitly told me that she could never support someone who let her husband get away with cheating on her.) – and ultimately she just seems like such a divisive candidate that its maybe not worth it, maybe even if her healthcare plan is better, or if shes more experienced, or less full of rhetoric.
(As for what I do like, I know I sure liked Joe Biden a hell of a lot. Because the foreign policy ideas of both the remaining Republicans [we must Win, whatever that means!] and the Democrats [we must Pull Out Troops As Fast As Possible, irrespective of the possible consequences!] seem ridiculously naive and ineffective, but thats something else entirely, I suppose, and completely unfeasible )
(And regarding healthcare, since I mentioned it earlier – I have an eerie feeling that out of everyone, Mitt Romneys plan makes the most sense [although I like the idea of socialized medicine a lot too] – it seems like both Clinton and Obama are trying to find some awkward middle ground that just doesnt make sense I dont know that much about economics, so my perspective/opinions are perhaps not well founded, but I feel like you have to either go one way or the other and not try strange middle-of-the-road things that end up getting the worst aspects of both sides of the left-right economic spectrumful of ideas.)
In conclusion, I have no idea whom to support, but Im glad that youre secure in your convictions
February 4, 2008 at 7:45 pm #26501SaintPeter
ParticipantI was just reading Slashdot's thread on this topic and one comment I read there really resonated with me. They said "For once I can vote for a canidate without holding my nose". That really summarizes my feelings about Obama. As much as I would like to see a woman president, I'd much rather have it be a woman who I respect.
I've read a couple of Obama's speeches and they were just inspiring, fair and even handed. It's funny, because recently I've had a number of my geek friends come out for Obama as well. These are folks that I have NEVER heard talk politics before. Reading the list the JoCo made of artists that I respect coming out for Obama really helped to cement what had, up till now, just been a vague feeling for me.
I do wonder how he'll fare.
February 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm #26503
ColleenkyParticipantI think GWB helped to make a lot of non-political or somewhat political people become much more so, like myself. Everything he does just incenses me. I can’t even listen to him talk anymore, because, as one of my friends says, “Talking, lying!” Ten minutes into the State of the Union address, I was already yelling at the TV. (“What do you mean we have to trust our research scientists?! Since when do *you* support research scientists?! Arrrrrgh!”)
At this point, I’m not looking for a wonk. I kind of don’t care about policy specifics, because I know that those may get compromised into non-existence during the political process. I want someone with vision. Someone with overarching principles who I feel would make Right choices instead of Correct choices (or Bad choices, of course). A wonk with vision would be best, but Al Gore isn’t running. 😉
[edited to fix typo – a principal is a prince and a pal! – oops]
February 4, 2008 at 8:20 pm #26504Skizzlethorpe
ParticipantI don't like Obama because he doesn't seem to have substance. He has a TON of charisma though.
My ideal candidate would be Keyes, but as he has no chance of winning, I'll be holding my nose while casting my vote for McCain tomorrow.
February 4, 2008 at 8:22 pm #26505Shruti
ParticipantI don’t think there’s any reason to hold one’s nose while voting if you recognize that nobody is perfect, especially nobody viable…
February 4, 2008 at 10:41 pm #26509IndigoMonkey
ParticipantGah, see.. and I just can’t get behind McCain. I’m boggled by what people see in him. I realize has had a distinguished career, but he has ridden the line on some pretty big-deal topics.
Which isn’t to say, I suppose, that Romney hasn’t.
Maybe I should vote for Ron Paul. 🙂
February 4, 2008 at 10:50 pm #26511Tindomiel
ParticipantOne thing I don’t get is why people like McCain, or more specifically, why people who support him so often seem to argue something to the effect of “well, he’s a vet and he suffered horrible torture in Vietnam, therefore we should elect him!”. To my mind, having survived five years of imprisonment and torture makes one admirable but not necessarily leadership material, especially in a potentially triggering, high-stress job where one is supposed to represent the entire nation to the rest of the world.
Politics in general makes me sad. And cynical.
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