Thing a Week 10 - When I’m 25 or 64
This is my first ever mashup. I’m on the road so my recording capabilities are limited, plus I’m so angry about this whole Sony rootkit thing that I felt like a little illegality was called for. I’m too old to smash things, so this copyright violation will have to do. I did actually purchase these songs from the iTunes music store, but then in order to get them into a workable form I had to circumvent the DRM by recording the audio out from my iPod. Hear that?! I circumvented the DRM in a blatant violation of federal laws! And I’d do it again!
Like many mashups, this really starts and ends with the title - a blend of Chicago’s “25 or 6 to 4″ and the Beatles song “When I’m 64.” I’m all about the numbers you see. It’s not quite as successful as I’d hoped (turns out it’s pretty hard to do this well). There are times when they work well together, but I can’t escape the feeling that I’m just listening to two songs at once, not a new coherent musical thing. If you don’t understand what makes McCartney melodies so great, you should try taking one out of its original musical context - they have deep roots.
Here is the song: When I’m 25 or 64
November 18th, 2005 at 10:48 am
Whee, I love both those songs. It sounds like it’s really hard to do well, but I like it. Not jarring like many of the mashups I’ve heard. The distortion at the end comes out of left field, though.
It occurs to me that did a semi-mashup back in the last 80s when I made a tape for a friend of mine and edited together Pink Floyd’s “Waiting for the Worms” with “I Am The Walrus” (Why not “Waiting for the Sun”, I now wonder. Maybe too obvious. As it was, it yielded the oddly logical line of “Sitting in an English Garden, waiting for the WORM TO COME.”)
November 18th, 2005 at 12:45 pm
Jeez Glenn, you’re the Quick Draw McGraw of comments. I like the distortion at the end - I wanted Paul to sing a nice long note, but he didn’t, so I s t r e t c h e d it way out until it sounded terrible. I think it works nicely (in an awful way) with the terrible train wreck of horns that ends the Chicago song.
November 18th, 2005 at 1:11 pm
This was a good mix of the two songs. I enjoyed it alot. I have a collection of all the odd mixtures I have found over the years. Have you ever heard the Mission Impossible/Norwegian wood arrangement? There is also a group that did a mix of Metallica’s Enter Sandman mixed with Taxman. I love the combination of common ideas from unrelated groups. There needs to be an album of Unintentional Duets.
November 18th, 2005 at 2:17 pm
Pure coincidence, I swear, JC. I’m really not obessively checking the site. Well, not constantly, at any rate. I just happened to check my LiveJournal friends page and didn’t wait for iTunes to catch the podcast.
I do actually like the song (I listened to it a couple more times after posting), and I’m sure I’ll get used to the distortion.
Glenn (not Gle3nn)
November 18th, 2005 at 3:07 pm
That’s right, screw the man!
November 18th, 2005 at 4:34 pm
I agee with Erik… screw the man! And as far as mashups go, I liked it. I do prefer your original work, but I’ll cut you some slack since you’ve been busy. I guess what surprised me most about it is that it didn’t suck (as you’d been saying it would).
November 18th, 2005 at 4:55 pm
This has been running through my head all day. Every time I listen to it I still giggle.
November 18th, 2005 at 7:11 pm
Ok, so, apropos of nothing, but I was completely blown away by this song by Imogen Heap:
http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/archives/asc95/#heap
Just a chick and a vocoder.
Which leads me to the question: when are we going to hear Mr. Coulton’s Glee Club chops with some vocoder action?
November 18th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
Not a fan of mashups normally, but I have to say I’m glad I downloaded this one. As a side effect, I’m going to start actually listening to Beatles songs when they come on over the Muzak system at work. Thank you for opening my musical horizons, Mr. Coulton.
November 18th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
Yes I said giggle.
November 18th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
THIS is a follow up to the story you broke (to me, anyway). “Sony to suspend making antipiracy CDs.”
November 19th, 2005 at 12:21 pm
This didn’t suck at all. I’m a fan of mash-ups, and this one is pretty cool. It’s no Kleptones, but it’s pretty darn good.
And, I must concur with those above who said, “Screw the man!”
November 19th, 2005 at 6:09 pm
[...] 25 or 6 to 4 + When I’m Sixty-Four = When I’m 25 or 64. [...]
November 20th, 2005 at 12:41 pm
Hey, this is cool — especially because McCartney turned 25 just after releasing “When I’m 64.”
November 20th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
That’s cool. I’ll be 64 in 25 years
November 21st, 2005 at 7:21 am
I have become quite a fan over the last several “things,” but I have to confirm your suspicion that this one sucks. That said, I am unfamiliar with the concept of mashups. Maybe I’m just not fond of the genre. As you said, it’s like listening to both songs at once. It adds nothing new, and from my perspective, does harm to each song. It’s not the electronica/sampling; I really liked Sibling Rivalry.
Ah well, just wanted to inject a little criticism into all of this tongue wagging. Please keep up the good work.
November 27th, 2005 at 1:04 am
I absolutely loved the first verse and the dissonant close, but the layering of the Chicago vocals against Paul during the choruses, and then a chunk of the original Beatles song against Chicago later on, was distracting and made me think I was listening to two songs at once, too. But the original mix was glorious and you definitely should do this again.
I know that most of the early mashups I’ve heard were pretty strict in form, usually backing tracks from song A and vocals from song B. More recent mashups sometimes bring in additional vocals from song A, but these are usually very limited and treated as a simple riff rather than counter-lyrics. Did you start this mashup as an old-school purist, or were you trying for the current more complex approach from the beginning?
November 27th, 2005 at 7:19 am
Mary: I’m not sure I had a plan at the outset. As I say, it was mostly the title that made me do it, not so much the musical ideas (which may have been my first mistake). Once I figured out that it would kind of work, I just had to push through. I do like the newer approach when it works though.
December 17th, 2005 at 3:05 pm
I liked it
February 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
Jesus Christ, I hate you.
July 2nd, 2007 at 4:34 am
[...] week’s podcast, Including BRAND NEW Theme Music from Jonathan Coulton (well, sorta…) [...]
July 31st, 2007 at 2:28 pm
[...] mashup Rock your body/Rappers Delight that you can hear at Radio Blog. In his comments I offered up When I’m 25 or 64 done by Jonathan [...]
June 2nd, 2008 at 6:58 am
Brilliant. The modes from the two songs go together so well.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
The first time I listened to this song, I thought the title had to do with the fact that 25 and 64 are both square numbers. Is that a coincidence?
…I guess that makes me a dork.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I’m sorry, but these songs don’t go together at all. The end of Paul’s singing line on the verses is a D7 and then cuts to an F and then an E on the Chicago horns. I’m sorry, but the F# to the F really bugs me and pretty much ruined the mash-up, although the E to the Aminor when Paul resumes singing is ok. I’m a composer and musician and don’t know much about electronic music, but I’m sure that you could, if you wanted to, modulate the Chicago riff into a different key (say, G to F# instead of F to E) without the tune losing integrity. I think that mash-ups can work and sound good, for the record, but this one has some major tonal problems.